Yes, I do believe that Garoppolo will start for the Niners in 2021.
I believe that bringing back Scangarello will be HUGE for him, and I do think we will see him back to 2017 form this year. I think this is our shot at an SB, and Garoppolo’s improvements this offseason will be a huge boost. Him and Scangarello really click, and we saw that in 2017 before Scang departed. I think Scangarello’s signing tells us that Shanny and Lynch are investing in Jimmy for this year (and our QBs later on) and that they believe Jimmy gives us a shot at 6.
That being said, we have a snowball’s chance in hell of hoisting a 6th Lombardi with the IOL situation we have now. We have learned that Richburg cannot be trusted to be healthy, and Garland is decent but not a permanent option at C. Brunskill is a solid RG for us (neutralized Aaron Donald HIMSELF) but had to be moved to C because of Grasu. I think we need to re-sign Brunny since he is an ERFA and is quality depth at worst. For the OL, I think the plan needs to be 1) Re-sign Trent Williams, 2) Cut Richburg, and 3) Draft Center Josh Myers in the 2nd Round. This is, IMO, the perfect plan for our OL for this offseason, and we will be SB contenders if this happens.
Lastly, since the cap is projected to be at 185 instead of 175 (yay), that means we likely retain Verrett and Moseley and/or Spoon, and that makes me happy.
Ford is the biggest red-flag as Lynch said that they have no idea if he can even play next season. Which is obviously bad if they arent even optimistic - the same FO that continually signs injury-prone guys. Richburg hopefully should be healthy but even he's had multiple set backs
Great Job on this article, that amount of detail you put in is crazy. Injury prone is the word for me. He just get hurt way too much to be a franchise qb. Could be a case of bad luck for him but it costing this team SB opportunities. I rather roll the dice and sign/trade for a high quality starter(stafford) or draft a qb.
He seems a good QB, sometimes a very good one, but like a 10-6 season. And it is very difficult to say what will be better about him. I can't see a clear path, only some different options almost equal from the risk/reward point of view. I can only hope the FO has all the informations we don't have, about his real physical conditions, and about the evaluation of the available draft prospects (it is easy to dream about the new Mahomes or Josh Allen, but we all know the real odds). And maybe it could be important what they just saw about Rosen. I wouldn't like a trade for Cousins, I don't think Watson will be really available and if yes he would be too expensive now (but maybe manageable in the next couple of years), and it would depend by the price for a trade about Stafford. My hope is the FO will do the right thing, I don't know what it will be but we will see the result on the field in the next years. At least the 2020 is over and the 2021 seems starting with the right foot.
Very in depth article and well written, so we know that Kyle Posey didn't write it. lol One thing that I agree with 100% is that Shanny was protecting Jimmy G. in 2019. Shanny was protecting Jimmy's knee, while it may have been healed enough to play football, it was far from being 100%. Even with the knee situation we were 2nd in points scored and we went to the Super Bowl. While Jimmy may not be perfect, I believe that he is perfect for Shanny's system. As far as injuries go, it is not Jimmy who is injury prone, it is the Niners who are injury prone. Jimmy may never get hurt again or he may get hurt every year, we don't know and past injuries don't dictate future injuries otherwise Verrett never would have made it through the 2020 season. As far as the Super Bowl goes Jimmy was 18 of 22 before the hit to the head and I believe 2 of 9 after the hit. Anybody that doesn't believe that that hit affected him must not be familiar at all with concussions/bumps to the head. Here is why I understand how a hit to the head can affect you; when I was 16 we had a school trip to the river, I was climbing up a boulder to dive off of it and I slipped and smacked the side of my head on the boulder. I slid down that boulder and took a minute to take stock of my situation, there was no blood and I felt fine so I climbed up that boulder and dove off it a half a dozen times or so. Like I said, I felt fine but then it was time to go catch up with the rest of the group and I couldn't remember where they were, I had to ask somebody if they had seen our group. A buddy of mine came up carrying a couple of fish, I asked him who caught those, he looked at me funny and said that we did, so I asked him who caught the bigger one and he told me that I did, that was when we knew that there was something wrong as I was very competitive back then. My point is that while Jimmy may have felt fine after that hit, he wasn't. A QB has so much to process in 2 or 3 seconds and if he is off in his processing, he is off in his pass.
I have always tried to keep the attitude of "you get what you pay for", but lately I have been feeling like they should be paying me for reading the articles. The last article that I read, the author actually said that he expects the Niners to pick up Warner's 5th year option. C'MON MAN 3rd round draft picks don't have 5th year options even if they do play like 1st round picks.
Oh yeah, since we're here in a "safe space" to air this NN stuff, fuck Mark Saltveit. Guy was completely full of shit and an arrogant asshole any time someone questioned him on it. Came to NN to hawk his crappy book about crappy Chip Kelly and was granted a level of authority that was completely underserved, and then wielded it like he was something great. The ONLY good to come out of Vox screwing their writers over was getting rid of that guy.
I've never said a bad thing about either Posey or Seltveit, but I've needed to get that off my chest for quite a while.
I didn't know about that, but not surprising. Fuck that guy. He was a pompous douchebag to anyone who dared question his (often uneducated) opinion. He really got under my skin and I wouldn't touch an article with his by-line.
Pat was carrying that site pre-purge. And now that he's gone the only articles I'll actually read is Rich Madrid (who is severely underappreciated there).
I actually liked Saltveit because if you questioned his (often uneducated) opinion, which I did, he was right there to debate with you. The staff there now seems to hide their head in the sand when you challenge them, or they just don't pay any attention to the comment section. I specifically challenged Madrid on one of his articles and never heard a word from him. That site was so good when Fooch and Pat were there and now it really does suck, I no longer trust that anything that I read on there is factual, and they really fucked up that comment section. I just started commenting again over there and I keep asking myself why did I start up again. Anyway, I hope that you feel better now that you got that off your chest Chris. Also Riqo, thank you for putting this site together, I don't know what your plan is, but I do hope that you turn this into a site that rivals what NN used to be.
Man, I wish this article could reach a Niners Nation sized audience. It's really great stuff, and heavily shifted my perception of Garoppolo. He's A LOT more limited than I realized. Shanahan's playcalling makes a lot of guys look better than they really are, and our YAC monsters like Kittle, Deebo, and now Aiyuk inflate QB stat lines well beyond the QB's actual play.
I echo Christopher Burns' comments. First, this an absolutely fantastic article! Second, long-form journalism like this is sorley needed. Third, thank you Christopher for putting the link up at ninersnation for this article.
Last, my own perception is that Jimmy simply hasnt been as good since his knee was hurt. When he came in at end of 2017, he was throwing accurate passes in pressure situations. Ever since, his throws are more often inaccurate, relying on Sanders et al to make great catches, or his passes get picked off under pressure. I also see a qb that simy doesn't see field well or move off to 2nd or 3rd option well.
The fact that we have had a winning team that wasted a couple seasons already waiting for Jimmy to return to 2017 form makes it clear we need somebody else. I'm hoping for Stafford.
Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help. If going on Facebook will help, I have many friends that are Niner fans. That was a good idea Christpher Burns.
Excellent article. I really don’t have an opinion. I trust Shanalynch to do their job. Based on this data, I wouldn’t mind a different direction. However, I do NOT blame Jimmy for the SB loss. Historically, Rodgers isn’t amazing in the playoffs and I’d still love to have Rodgers. I believe in not blaming QBs for choking, unless it is an true choke job; however I do think it’s important to give credit to clutch QBs like Brady and Montana. Baseball savants will tell you the data doesn’t support “clutch” - well the data says that Rodgers and Wilson should both be more than 1-time SB Champions. I’m rambling. The point is the truly great ones are gifts. We can’t expect greatness from any QB. But we can hope for lightning in a bottle, eg Flacco, E Manning (he did it twice though - he could be considered clutch) and even Jim Kelly. I’d take Jim Kelly - I don’t care about his SB record. Heck, Elway was a SB bum before his final two years.
Shanahan is weird because he’s picked two QBs pretty much - Cousins in the 4th, Beathard in the 3rd. We know how CJ went but cousins was a home run pick for a 4th rounder. I don’t think there’s enough sample size yet but you are right that it’s questionable
Passing on Mahomes and Watson while we had an obvious glaring need at QB is pretty bad. As is the fact that we haven't drafted another QB since CJB. And after 4 years investing in the development of a guy we traded up in the 3rd round to get, we're left holding a bag of roody-poo.
I can see why Shanny passed on Watson. When all the Watson to the Niners talk started, I watched over an hour of highlights of Watson, and the one thing that I didn't see was Watson possessing the ability to complete the type of short "touch" passes that Shanny likes so much. Watson does not look comfortable throwing the short passes but he is great at the downfield passes. For Watson to be successful as a Niner it looks like Shanny would have to change his whole offense. Over the last 3 years Watson has been sacked more than any QB in the league because he holds onto the ball waiting for plays to develop, and with our smaller O line that is designed to run the outside zone scheme, Watson would be in serious trouble, so it makes more sense to switch to larger lineman that can hold their blocks longer, but that means switching to more of a power run scheme. I don't believe that Shanny has ever run an offense like what Watson is best suited for and I don't think that he ever will.
I understand why CJB is not a favorable pick, in 2017 and 2018 he just looked like the game was moving way too fast for him. But in his two starts in 2020 it looked like the game finally slowed down for him. Hell, he beat the Cards who always play us tough and then he scared the hell outta the Seahawks, and he didn't have Deebo or Aiyuk. He may not have looked like someone who can lead this team to a Super Bowl, but he did look like a very serviceable back-up, which is all you can expect from a 3rd round pick.
Yes, I do believe that Garoppolo will start for the Niners in 2021.
I believe that bringing back Scangarello will be HUGE for him, and I do think we will see him back to 2017 form this year. I think this is our shot at an SB, and Garoppolo’s improvements this offseason will be a huge boost. Him and Scangarello really click, and we saw that in 2017 before Scang departed. I think Scangarello’s signing tells us that Shanny and Lynch are investing in Jimmy for this year (and our QBs later on) and that they believe Jimmy gives us a shot at 6.
That being said, we have a snowball’s chance in hell of hoisting a 6th Lombardi with the IOL situation we have now. We have learned that Richburg cannot be trusted to be healthy, and Garland is decent but not a permanent option at C. Brunskill is a solid RG for us (neutralized Aaron Donald HIMSELF) but had to be moved to C because of Grasu. I think we need to re-sign Brunny since he is an ERFA and is quality depth at worst. For the OL, I think the plan needs to be 1) Re-sign Trent Williams, 2) Cut Richburg, and 3) Draft Center Josh Myers in the 2nd Round. This is, IMO, the perfect plan for our OL for this offseason, and we will be SB contenders if this happens.
Lastly, since the cap is projected to be at 185 instead of 175 (yay), that means we likely retain Verrett and Moseley and/or Spoon, and that makes me happy.
right now the main problem is Ford and Richburg might not pass their physicals on April 1 - which guarantees most of their salary for upcoming year
Oh no... I didn’t know that.
Ford is the biggest red-flag as Lynch said that they have no idea if he can even play next season. Which is obviously bad if they arent even optimistic - the same FO that continually signs injury-prone guys. Richburg hopefully should be healthy but even he's had multiple set backs
One word? "Handsome"
Great Job on this article, that amount of detail you put in is crazy. Injury prone is the word for me. He just get hurt way too much to be a franchise qb. Could be a case of bad luck for him but it costing this team SB opportunities. I rather roll the dice and sign/trade for a high quality starter(stafford) or draft a qb.
He seems a good QB, sometimes a very good one, but like a 10-6 season. And it is very difficult to say what will be better about him. I can't see a clear path, only some different options almost equal from the risk/reward point of view. I can only hope the FO has all the informations we don't have, about his real physical conditions, and about the evaluation of the available draft prospects (it is easy to dream about the new Mahomes or Josh Allen, but we all know the real odds). And maybe it could be important what they just saw about Rosen. I wouldn't like a trade for Cousins, I don't think Watson will be really available and if yes he would be too expensive now (but maybe manageable in the next couple of years), and it would depend by the price for a trade about Stafford. My hope is the FO will do the right thing, I don't know what it will be but we will see the result on the field in the next years. At least the 2020 is over and the 2021 seems starting with the right foot.
Very in depth article and well written, so we know that Kyle Posey didn't write it. lol One thing that I agree with 100% is that Shanny was protecting Jimmy G. in 2019. Shanny was protecting Jimmy's knee, while it may have been healed enough to play football, it was far from being 100%. Even with the knee situation we were 2nd in points scored and we went to the Super Bowl. While Jimmy may not be perfect, I believe that he is perfect for Shanny's system. As far as injuries go, it is not Jimmy who is injury prone, it is the Niners who are injury prone. Jimmy may never get hurt again or he may get hurt every year, we don't know and past injuries don't dictate future injuries otherwise Verrett never would have made it through the 2020 season. As far as the Super Bowl goes Jimmy was 18 of 22 before the hit to the head and I believe 2 of 9 after the hit. Anybody that doesn't believe that that hit affected him must not be familiar at all with concussions/bumps to the head. Here is why I understand how a hit to the head can affect you; when I was 16 we had a school trip to the river, I was climbing up a boulder to dive off of it and I slipped and smacked the side of my head on the boulder. I slid down that boulder and took a minute to take stock of my situation, there was no blood and I felt fine so I climbed up that boulder and dove off it a half a dozen times or so. Like I said, I felt fine but then it was time to go catch up with the rest of the group and I couldn't remember where they were, I had to ask somebody if they had seen our group. A buddy of mine came up carrying a couple of fish, I asked him who caught those, he looked at me funny and said that we did, so I asked him who caught the bigger one and he told me that I did, that was when we knew that there was something wrong as I was very competitive back then. My point is that while Jimmy may have felt fine after that hit, he wasn't. A QB has so much to process in 2 or 3 seconds and if he is off in his processing, he is off in his pass.
I've been very careful not to bag on Posey since he started, but man, his stuff is terrible.
I have always tried to keep the attitude of "you get what you pay for", but lately I have been feeling like they should be paying me for reading the articles. The last article that I read, the author actually said that he expects the Niners to pick up Warner's 5th year option. C'MON MAN 3rd round draft picks don't have 5th year options even if they do play like 1st round picks.
Oh yeah, since we're here in a "safe space" to air this NN stuff, fuck Mark Saltveit. Guy was completely full of shit and an arrogant asshole any time someone questioned him on it. Came to NN to hawk his crappy book about crappy Chip Kelly and was granted a level of authority that was completely underserved, and then wielded it like he was something great. The ONLY good to come out of Vox screwing their writers over was getting rid of that guy.
I've never said a bad thing about either Posey or Seltveit, but I've needed to get that off my chest for quite a while.
Saltveit was also not so nice to some of the writers including Pat.
I didn't know about that, but not surprising. Fuck that guy. He was a pompous douchebag to anyone who dared question his (often uneducated) opinion. He really got under my skin and I wouldn't touch an article with his by-line.
Pat was carrying that site pre-purge. And now that he's gone the only articles I'll actually read is Rich Madrid (who is severely underappreciated there).
I actually liked Saltveit because if you questioned his (often uneducated) opinion, which I did, he was right there to debate with you. The staff there now seems to hide their head in the sand when you challenge them, or they just don't pay any attention to the comment section. I specifically challenged Madrid on one of his articles and never heard a word from him. That site was so good when Fooch and Pat were there and now it really does suck, I no longer trust that anything that I read on there is factual, and they really fucked up that comment section. I just started commenting again over there and I keep asking myself why did I start up again. Anyway, I hope that you feel better now that you got that off your chest Chris. Also Riqo, thank you for putting this site together, I don't know what your plan is, but I do hope that you turn this into a site that rivals what NN used to be.
Man, I wish this article could reach a Niners Nation sized audience. It's really great stuff, and heavily shifted my perception of Garoppolo. He's A LOT more limited than I realized. Shanahan's playcalling makes a lot of guys look better than they really are, and our YAC monsters like Kittle, Deebo, and now Aiyuk inflate QB stat lines well beyond the QB's actual play.
We need a new QB.
thanks man.
I echo Christopher Burns' comments. First, this an absolutely fantastic article! Second, long-form journalism like this is sorley needed. Third, thank you Christopher for putting the link up at ninersnation for this article.
Last, my own perception is that Jimmy simply hasnt been as good since his knee was hurt. When he came in at end of 2017, he was throwing accurate passes in pressure situations. Ever since, his throws are more often inaccurate, relying on Sanders et al to make great catches, or his passes get picked off under pressure. I also see a qb that simy doesn't see field well or move off to 2nd or 3rd option well.
The fact that we have had a winning team that wasted a couple seasons already waiting for Jimmy to return to 2017 form makes it clear we need somebody else. I'm hoping for Stafford.
Well if it makes you both happy, I’ve been working on a full fledged website to take this to the next level for a while. Excited for it.
Do it! I'll promote the hell out of it! To my... 218 Facebook friends. At least a dozen of those are Niners fans though!
Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help. If going on Facebook will help, I have many friends that are Niner fans. That was a good idea Christpher Burns.
Excellent article. I really don’t have an opinion. I trust Shanalynch to do their job. Based on this data, I wouldn’t mind a different direction. However, I do NOT blame Jimmy for the SB loss. Historically, Rodgers isn’t amazing in the playoffs and I’d still love to have Rodgers. I believe in not blaming QBs for choking, unless it is an true choke job; however I do think it’s important to give credit to clutch QBs like Brady and Montana. Baseball savants will tell you the data doesn’t support “clutch” - well the data says that Rodgers and Wilson should both be more than 1-time SB Champions. I’m rambling. The point is the truly great ones are gifts. We can’t expect greatness from any QB. But we can hope for lightning in a bottle, eg Flacco, E Manning (he did it twice though - he could be considered clutch) and even Jim Kelly. I’d take Jim Kelly - I don’t care about his SB record. Heck, Elway was a SB bum before his final two years.
ShanaLynch have proven they can be trusted to handle A LOT of things very well, but QB evaluation is the one major question I still have.
Shanahan is weird because he’s picked two QBs pretty much - Cousins in the 4th, Beathard in the 3rd. We know how CJ went but cousins was a home run pick for a 4th rounder. I don’t think there’s enough sample size yet but you are right that it’s questionable
Passing on Mahomes and Watson while we had an obvious glaring need at QB is pretty bad. As is the fact that we haven't drafted another QB since CJB. And after 4 years investing in the development of a guy we traded up in the 3rd round to get, we're left holding a bag of roody-poo.
Yup. I don’t blame them for Mahomes, he was considered a massive reach.. but Watson who they brought in for private workouts.. hurts.
Niners haven’t drafted a QB in the 1st round since 05 which is crazy
I can see why Shanny passed on Watson. When all the Watson to the Niners talk started, I watched over an hour of highlights of Watson, and the one thing that I didn't see was Watson possessing the ability to complete the type of short "touch" passes that Shanny likes so much. Watson does not look comfortable throwing the short passes but he is great at the downfield passes. For Watson to be successful as a Niner it looks like Shanny would have to change his whole offense. Over the last 3 years Watson has been sacked more than any QB in the league because he holds onto the ball waiting for plays to develop, and with our smaller O line that is designed to run the outside zone scheme, Watson would be in serious trouble, so it makes more sense to switch to larger lineman that can hold their blocks longer, but that means switching to more of a power run scheme. I don't believe that Shanny has ever run an offense like what Watson is best suited for and I don't think that he ever will.
I understand why CJB is not a favorable pick, in 2017 and 2018 he just looked like the game was moving way too fast for him. But in his two starts in 2020 it looked like the game finally slowed down for him. Hell, he beat the Cards who always play us tough and then he scared the hell outta the Seahawks, and he didn't have Deebo or Aiyuk. He may not have looked like someone who can lead this team to a Super Bowl, but he did look like a very serviceable back-up, which is all you can expect from a 3rd round pick.
Incredibly well done article my brother